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PostPosted: December 11th, 2018, 8:20 am 
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As Rosey knows, I particularly like the parts inspired by the BBC's Absolutely Fabulous ('...another bottle of Bolly, darling?') not only because it helps us to see very clearly why Kylie finds her relationship with her mother so difficult, but also because it rings very true in relation to a member of our own family, though certainly not our mother!

The theme of relationships with parents and the various ways in which they can suck (or at least be very difficult!) has been prevalent in the Collinsverse for a long time, and certainly there's a lot more to come in the future. As I've confessed before, I myself have an extreme prejudice against fathers, which may come through in certain stories I have written (particularly one that's due out in a couple of months!) but as Kylie's feelings and experiences in this story remind us, mothers can be just as bad in their own way. Thankfully Kylie loves both her parents in spite of their many shortcomings, and I hope they're very grateful for that!

It's nice to see Eduardo and Kylie emotionally closer than ever after these events, and as he himself pointed out (though not in a nasty way, of course) Eduardo wasn't the only one with emotional baggage that he'd been keeping back. It's also nice to see a reference to a very silly dating show that we've both derived quite a lot of amusement from in recent months, and it makes me wonder who in the Collinsverse might have bells that hang lower than the rope. I have a couple of ideas about guys who might (when the rope isn't being used, I'm sure it goes without saying!) but we can be 100% sure that someone who doesn't have that particular physical trait is Michael!

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PostPosted: December 12th, 2018, 5:52 pm 
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Thanks as always for the comments. This really was the perfect opportunity to introduce Jill into the Collinsverse - and I'll say now that her 'familiar face' can be seen in our Fanfiction Character Index (complete with glass of Bolly).

Jill is basically the same as she was in the GBOT universe, as Fritz has no doubt noticed, but a (or perhaps the) difference is that she has a better relationship with Kylie here. Honestly (and not wanting to upset anybody), this was in some ways a reaction against all the fan theories about Kylie having a terrible relationship with her parents, and Grandma Rose being the only stable figure in her young life, usually with them living together. As a child of divorce myself, and considering the times that we live in, I find the negative stereotypes rather grating. There's no real evidence in the show that Kylie didn't have a perfectly fine relationship with either or both of her parents; the only time they and their divorce are even mentioned is in Grease, in the scene where Agent Stone is saying things like: 'Bitter about his disability and holds society personally responsible.' So that's really why this story attempts to make it clear that in my world, Kylie lived in her parents' two homes, had a perfectly reasonable and well-adjusted upbringing there, and also had lovely times visiting Grandma Rose (just like so many of us do with one or more grandparents that we're close to).

When I was mulling over how this story would go, I happened to find and watch an Ab Fab-inspired documentary where the two stars of the show went to France to learn all about champagne and pick the grapes etc. Though Patsy-&-Eddy, Jill and the relative Jake mentions have always reminded me very much of each other, I highly doubt that Jill's travelling companion would have been (near enough) Joanna Lumley herself if it hadn't been for that channel-hopping session.

I didn't know Jake was going to go into so much detail about the nude statue scene. I'm afraid I really don't have anything to add. :?

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PostPosted: December 30th, 2018, 6:32 am 
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Kevin and Oscar: Snapshots, Episode 5 - Q-and-A, by me.

December 2005: After Kevin makes an enlightening video to celebrate the success of his YouTube channel, he soon finds himself answering an important question that he failed to anticipate.

As promised quite recently, here is the evidence that Kevin is still very much in to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Just to add a bit more variety to the series, this one happens more from Oscar's point of view than Kevin's. It also sets things up for a meeting that has long been promised in this thread.

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PostPosted: January 3rd, 2019, 4:10 pm 
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KevinsMensPyjamas wrote:
Kevin and Oscar: Snapshots, Episode 5 - Q-and-A, by me.

December 2005: After Kevin makes an enlightening video to celebrate the success of his YouTube channel, he soon finds himself answering an important question that he failed to anticipate.

As promised quite recently, here is the evidence that Kevin is still very much in to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Just to add a bit more variety to the series, this one happens more from Oscar's point of view than Kevin's. It also sets things up for a meeting that has long been promised in this thread.


Sorry about the delay in commenting; things have been really weird and stressful around the place I live lately.

I admit I don't know much about Buffy or Angel, but having participated in other fandoms a lot of the internet fandom experience does feel pretty universal after a while.

And yeah, it will be interesting to see how the promised meeting turns out, and how the person reacts.

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This story is interesting for me to read; well, they all are, but this one specifically because Jake and I recently indulged in revisiting some Buffy together (there was no similar opportunity for Angel), and I also happen to know that Kevin's YouTube channel was heavily influenced by a YouTuber Jake used to watch (but he seems to have gone off him now). Funnily enough, I've just been working on a story influenced by my own favourite YouTube channel, but that's for another time.

This isn't the first or even the second time someone in the Collinsverse has revealed that Spike is their favourite Buffyverse character, but only some online fan far removed from the core characters could ever express an interest in Riley's sponge or anything else belonging to him! I remember wondering out loud if readers might be bored by all the Buffy talk, but Jake pointed out that the Buffy questions are alternated with questions about Kevin and his life, which I think works well. He sure doesn't mind sharing, does he?!

And yes, the promised meeting will take place 'on-screen', after my next release. I'll give you a hint: it bears very little resemblance to similar events in GBOT...

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PostPosted: January 5th, 2019, 6:38 am 
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Sorry about the delay in commenting; things have been really weird and stressful around the place I live lately.
Sounds very like Britain at present.

I'm very glad to hear that Kevin's experiences as a prolific internet fandom contributor rang true. I was considering shaving off some of the more detailed comments he made about the Buffyverse in his Q-and-A video, but in the end I left it pretty much as it was when I first wrote it because I felt it was a realistic amount for him to say and not too excessive. I'm pleased that dovetailing it with snippets of Kevin's life had the desired effect on the narrative.

You were quite right to spot on your final check-through that Kevin told his viewers a little too much about what he used to do to himself when he was ten, but I think the eleventh-hour truncation I did on that line managed to make it seem like a genuine slip of the brain that was forestalled in a timely manner, rather than a deliberate piece of over-sharing. It was still more than enough to make Kevin rather embarrassed to know that his mother had watched the video, of course; while he very much enjoyed discussing such things with Michael when they were hanging out together in pyjama bottoms (I think most boys should be able to relate to that!) there definitely are limits.

As everyone knows, I took three things from the GBOT/comic versions of Oscar when I wanted to bring him in to Kevin's life - his music and his karate, both suggested by Rosey, and his openness to engaging romantically with another boy. Everything else I treated as a totally blank slate, including his hair, his build, where he lived, his interactions with both his families, and anything else I felt like sneaking in. As everyone also knows, I quickly decided that Kevin and Oscar should bond over their shared uneasiness and uncertainty about varying aspects of their relationships with their respective biological fathers, and I still think this is a pretty good idea.

However, I originally made far more effort to overcome my prejudice against fathers when it came to Carl than when it came to Andre, and that's one reason that the next story has gone through quite a lot of edits since its first draft. (There are other reasons too!) Hopefully what I'm going to present you with next time is a meeting between a biological father and son who have never really made the effort of forging a relationship with each other and have now left it rather too late, with some fault on both sides, although obviously more on the side of the dad than the son! I guess we'll just have to wait and see if that's the case.

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